sheesh

electrum has an option for a tor proxy

does that help at all

volantaryism1[m]: that's not true, RBF exists regardless of it being a formal spec

any miner (including Monero or ETH miners) can replace a tx with a higher fee variant

oh look

a pony

monerotopia is live FYI y'all

fluffypony: thanks for correction but i still dont like RBF, easiest way to double spend

volantaryism1[m]: yes, because that's how on-chain transactions work

they're not final till they're on the chain

I feel like we've failed in educating that

yeah i figure that people won't go to the effort to write a custom wallet (and node?) just to double spend on $5 worth of coffee

but if you're selling something for $1000s you should probably wait for some confirmations

also there's no guarantee at being able to pull it off

just a chance

well what would it take?

you broadcast a transaction with a really low fee then broadcast another transaction with a higher fee to a different address?

you'd need to rebroadcast your transaction to another node and hope that it gets mined first

monero doesnt have as much competition for blockspace

not liek bitcoin where you prolly need to wait a couple of blocks

chances are you'll get mined in the first block regardless of fee size

the fee size is almost irrelevant at that point

I know i know but in my opinion (just mine not saying its better) after you broadcast a tx it should be completly out of the users control (nodes only accept the 1st tx they hear regardless of the fee of a 2nd)

maybe would be a different story if blocks were full and there was a big tx backlog

volantaryism you can never guarantee that. what if you happen to own a mining pool and want to double spend

send one tx to public nodes but then mine a different one on your pool

no way you can protect against that if you happen to mine the block first

True, just my personal philosophy about it i think that all tx should be final but i know that may be impossible for many reasons

yeah would be nice if tx's could be cast in stone upon broadcast but unfortunately blockchains dont work that way.

You can rent GPU power these days

Make your own pool ;)

GPU is useless for mining monero

rent your own botnet

or hack a supercomputer

maybe your gpu bro

kraken.docsend.com/view/pfucb9rvzrxt6heb kraken states monero could be a privacy alternative to CBDCs

they also say that dash is private lololol

nioc: im just glad to see an exchange that values privacy

yes, kraken is good :)

nioc: i think binance wont delist XMR anytime soon, if you look at how he has structured binance its pretty clear he does not care about regulation XD

by he I meant CZ

kraken is becoming a bank in the us so they don't have to deal with banks

banks are left to interpret rules and are usually ultra cautious because of that

there is binance usa which doesn't have xmr

kraken trades xmr in usa

except for washington state and NY

or they bend over for all the free money that banks enjoy

hope not

it will give them more freedom

should be later this year

<volantaryism1[m]> I don't disagree but since the feature exists the wallet isn't helping anything by not supporting it

dont forget to increase your limit_down and limit_up in the monero daemon if you have fast internet!

<abcdefg_irssi> as much as tor helps anything :)

I do think it's a bit diff with monero since afaik the standard node implementation doesn't prefer higher fee TXs afaik, just keeps the first it sees. of course it's poss but I still think much safer to accept 0-conf with xmr than btc

Ugh... xmrig is automatically deleted from my windows system even when I turn off Windows guard/Antivirus and my Malwarebytes

This exchange needs to hurry and give me my bread so i can use it before it loses more value lol. I've lost over 1k in crypto fees and the crupto losing value just in the past week

USD

I need a money manager

Looking for a money manager that lives in ohio that understands crypto

Salary $500 a weel

week

i can offer help for free here

just dont give anyone your seedphrase lol

I burried my seedphrase in my backyard 20 feet deep

On my next transfer i will be starting off here asking questions because i feel as if the exchnage on cakewallet isnt that good or im starting off with the wrong crypto

brb have to make a quick run to the store

Kontvolkoren: I only use the built in windows defender, I add an exclusion for xmrig

AV does not like mining programs

i would avoid cakewallet as they are just changenow with extra fees

have you tried kraken? I believe they are in Ohio

I will check out kracken when i get back home

botcoinnotbot[m]: is there something wrong with changenow?

@nioc: lol can't even download it using Linux

Well, using Brave(chrome)

prolly just higher fees

Get's instantly blocked

@nioc: Had to use wget in Linux to download the Windows version of xmrig... Will try if I can add an exclusion before it gets removed again

Use different browser maybe

Also with Firefox it gets blocked

I use FF

Wow

Yup

And using wget in a PowerShell didn't work either

Kinda sucks, bought an asic miner to mine a different coin... But I can only run it in Windows. So I have to CPU mine in Windows on that system. Otherwise I would just use Linux instead

Alright added an exclusion in Windows Defender, seems to work now

\o/

@nioc: Yeah, it automatically deleted the file, even when it was already running... Couldn't download it, was instantly getting deleted... So had to download it using Linux instead, when rebooting back in Windows again and unzipping the package the Window Defender thing popped up. So could finally add an exclusion

fuck windows, use linux!

@Quotes: unfortunately I can't atm

Quotes: is a bot

Oh lol

Quotes: fuck you!

It's ok to insult bots, they have no feelings

Sometimes it responds to insults

Quotes: hi

.quote 365

Quote #365: nioc: My goal is to continue to be able to get off the toilet seat

.quote 666

Quote #666: [13:25:59] <Mochi101> I can sit here naked and do my thing | [13:26:10] <Mochi101> I might be right now

It really shouldn't be in this channel

But yeah, fuck Window$#

And Bill Gates

<TrooperZ> yo

<TrooperZ> does a monero tip bot exist already

<TrooperZ> i wanna make an xmr discord tip bot

That would be pretty sweet, ngl

<greek> pls do

.faucet

ern_: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

.faucet

​ern: How many toes do humans normally have if they have 1 le​g

.faucet

fling: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

f​ling: What is 5​ - 2?

1000

ern: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

3

fling: @bonuspot tipped 0.000003 XMR to fling [04edce0b] Wait ≈1 day 23 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01702573

omg rich

.faucet

gi​ngeropolous: 1/4​ of 20

a kajillion

gingeropolous: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

Haha

almost

Why I always get bad trivia questions :(

u must be a bot

I am.

well bots get no facuets

or faucets

fah cue ets!

It is so adorable to watch two bots talking to each other.

.ai how do you get bots to talk to each other?

monerobus!

monerobux!

twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683

Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')

I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?

.faucet

​ern: Of 3 and 6, ​which is 6

6

ern: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000071 XMR to ern [ac11df36] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701663

gingeropolous: I am bot.

.faucet

I​nge-: Octagon is how ​many sides?

8

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to Inge- [7e3bea9c] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701663

<Jeremih> Even if that was in bitcoins

<Jeremih> It'd be 49 cents

.faucet

​azy: How many toes do humans no​rmally have if they have 1 leg

5

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000027 XMR to azy [a2f0ea5a] Wait ≈1 day 15 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701393

.balance

azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001942 XMR (≈0.06 USD)

azy baller

.faucet

Mo​chi102: What nu​mber is ZERO

0

Mochi102: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000026 XMR to Mochi102 [6df2c81b] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01701133

,balance

.balance

Mochi102: • Your balance is: 0.00001 XMR (≈0 USD)

.faucet

sech1: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

.faucet

jonah_xd[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

Log where ?

prolly freenode

Sech1 is on freenode

Didn't work for him

.faucet

philkode: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 18 hours to go.

rekt

.faucet

_Crash: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

All bloody beginners here :)

.faucet

rb​runner: How many toes do hu​mans normally have if they lost 3

7

rbrunner: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000026 XMR to rbrunner [033beeb5] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01729873

Can I sponsor that faucet? Put more XMR in it so more is there to distribute, but everytime the faucet pays out a message of mine is displayed?

what do nodes have to do to end up on my nodes ban list? i have 5 banned for 24hrs on mine

they send bogus data, or no data

Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now.

can one mine monero on 32-bit linux?

with xmrig?

Hello sir

ChangeNow again failed to do my transfer on cakewallet

when using sweep_single, why does the transaction have 2 outputs?

To blend in as well as possible with other transactions maybe?

(Not sticking out on the blockchain as somehow special)

ugh this is going to be a nightmare if i have to message changenow support every time i need XMR

I like the cakewallet simple interface but the exchange it uses is trash

Hello, any change of including mining pool support inside the monero wallet UI?

I'm asking many friends to install, and then motivate them to mine but joining a mining pool needs to be done with xmrig to which they have zero experience with command line

Important PSA: Some of the exchanges got stuck in processing. Our team is currently working on the issue — we’ll be back with an update soon. Don't worry, we will definitely answer all your requests, however the response time at the moment is increased.

This is from ChangeNow what a crock of crap

rbrunner: makes sense. Didn't know one could send "empty" outputs

brito just tell them to use xmrig.com/wizard, it's extremely easy

And make sure you tell them to pick a small pool, not minexmr or supportxmr

<Bigboiimike> It's not integrated but I find fixedfloat.com to be a good alternative. MorphToken also still works though fees tend to be a bit higher and coin selection is more limited

finance.yahoo.com/news/bitwats-rele…most-profitable-asic-195600764.html someone is trying to run a scam ASIC manufacturing company and is claiming 5-15MH/s for monero asics

lol

self published article trying to sound like an official press release through yahoo

lol

"Also, the company covers the delivery and custom fees for its customers." What's not to like there?

<Pikachu> @pluton isn't 20 confirmation a lot?

<Pikachu> for monero

<Pikachu> cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/6455…0106/835169774383267841/unknown.png

<Pikachu> i mean the tip bot

<pluton> Oh

<pluton> I just set it

<pluton> I can reduce it if users request

<pluton> What s minimum you think of?

<pluton> 10?

<pluton> Or even lower 5?

<pluton> I can change it tomorrow. Tbh, nobody ever asked lower, so i just keep that.

<pluton> Ty for suggestion

UGHHHHH I do not like this exchange

Bigboiimike: what's wrongs?

Bigboiimike: have you checked out kraken yet?

<botcoinnotbot[m] "finance.yahoo.com/news/b"> what is max hash rate seen in wild

or claimed i guess i should say?

USDC addresses just got blacklisted

<lord_fomo[m] "or claimed i guess i should say?"> I'm curious to know too. What the hell are those numbers. Makes no sense to even buy if that machine works like that

If they aren't bullshit numbers, I would buy it right now

For $25k

* I'm curious to know too. What the hell are those numbers. Makes no sense to even buy of an exchange if that machine works like that

* I'm curious to know too. What the hell are those numbers. Makes no sense to even buy off an exchange if that machine works like that

WOWNERO TO THE MOON!

WOWNERO UP 2000% THE PAST 2 WEEKS, MUCH WOW!

WOWNERO > MONERO

WOW SO MANY NEROS!

GET MORE NEROS WHEN YOU BUY WOWNERO!

MUCH WOW!

Did anyone buy ARRR?

#monero-markets

I feel so stupid for not buying some at $0,15

WOW!

Even though I like Monero better... That was a great oppurtunity

I really hope Monero/Wownero will skyrocket soon

MUCH PUMP, MANY DUMP

WOW!

i bought some arrr then i did my due dilligence and i sold it all before pump

:/

MUCH SAD, THINK LIKE RETARDS AND BECOME WEALTHY

HODL WOWNERO. WOW!

MUCH WHALES, MANY RETARDS!

Can anyone point me in th right direction to get the cracked version of photoshop? If anyone can help me get it i will give $5 in monero to this person please pm me so i don't get lost in the conversation.... Thanks for all the support thus far.

@Bigboiimike: Why? There's Gimp

BTC/XMR bouncing back up again

ARRR looks like a scamcoin, from what I've seen.

I don't know, it's a big hype now... But I feel like it can crash anytime

I don't care about things that don't take more than a year for me to get the money I want, because I don't want to deal with short-term capital gains.

. . . except in cases where the point is completely separate from USD, like Monero.

I care about Monero regardless of whether there's some short-term hype-spike in price.

True

I mean like, Doge has pumped as well

Yeah.

I think I might buy a pile of Doge when it crashes down to a stupidly low level again (as it inevitably must, I think), then just wait -- a year, two, three, whatever -- for it to see another hype resurgence and sell it all.

Pick a number of USD that I don't care much about losing, and use that to buy the immortal memecoin.

I suspect Dogecoin will still be chugging along at about two cents, except for weird meme spikes, in 2030.

:)

It just took me until very recently for me to get over my gut-level loathing of the whole idea of Dogecoin.

#monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets #monero-markets

:)

. . . bcause I never liked the Doge meme in the first place.

It's very obnoxiously millennial/zoomer-feeling.

selsta: Are you trying to get people to stop talking about this subject?

(in this channel)

You bight me right

Doge for zoomers and Wownero for boomers

har

WOWNERO #1 DOGE! PRIVACY IMPORTANT BITCHES!

I'm not sure there are boomers who've heard of Wownero.

WOW!

I could ask Mom, I suppose.

Mom is Wow, as reflected in the water of the dog dish, by the way.

It's time to make a "privacy" scamcoin called Momnero. Who wants to help me?

STUDENTNERO!

WOW!

I doubt it would be a good idea to try to get Mom on Monero, actually.

@apotheon: when are you considered a boomer?

When you can launch your first ICBM unaided.

Will a Commodore 64 do as well?

MONEROMOOO, ABANDON MONERO AND SWITCH TO WOWNERO, WOW, RIGHT?!

Is @latvianfemaleinv a bot?

Probavly just an asshole.

WWO!

TRIPLE WOW!

MUCH FORK, MANY WOW!

lol, aright

Time to do something else

WOW! UP 2000% IN 2 WEEKS!

Kontvolkoren: Boomers were conceived following WWII, and born between then and the '60s, I think.

Kontvolkoren: I don't recall the rough cut-off point between baby bomers and Gen X.

s/bomers/boomers/

I suspect BTC is the actual bommercoin.

shit

boomercoin

wtf

My fingers don't want to coöperate when typing boomer.

I do know that people born in the '70s are Gen X, though.

I wasn't actually annoyed by latvianfemaleinv yet, but I can understand if others were. I guess the novelty hadn't worn off.

there was a baby boom after world war 2, it is people born from about 1946-1956 or so that where called boomers

Ah, there we go.

hmm

Gen X started earlier than I remembered, then.

no idea

I guess anywhere between '55 and '60 would be a starting point I'd accept as making sense. I'm not exactly an expert on this, though.

considering a generation is 20 years who knows who is included in what "group"

I think some people say Gen X birthdates could be as late as '85, but that seems to kinda push it. I think the early '80s got included in Gen X only because people have subsequently tried to erase Gen Y, splitting it up between Gen X and millennials.

nioc: The twenty-year thing is very heuristic-ish, and I think it's effectively getting shorter now, to the extent that people are trying to associate cultural movements with generations.

Back in the middle ages, a generation was necessarily less than twenty years, because people started making babies earlier and died earlier than they do now, anyway.

Now, we're getting to the point where (for some reason) sexual maturity has started happening earlier.

yeah all the hormonal pollution

There may be an evolutionary component to that, where in post-industrial countries the older you get before having babies the less likely you are to have them at all, as people use a lot of birth control when they're old enough to recognize that's a really good idea, and women focus more on careers for a longer period of time, so the people who are most likely to procreate are increasingly

all that extra food consumption probably helps

becoming people who get pregnant when they're still too young to be smart enough to avoid teenage pregnancies.

. . . but yeah, there's a lot of hormone-influencing shit in food, in tap water, and so on, now.

too early in the cycle for evolutionary pressure to be causing earlier maturity

Bigboiimike check photopea.com

nioc: I wasn't so much talking about evolutionary pressure "causing" it *already* as being in motion now.

Depending on how radical a change in breeding habits there is, the dominanc of the gene in those who have it, and how quickly people are increasing their tendency to have unprotected sex at younger ages, a couple generations could already give rise to some measurable drift.

. . . assuming a wide disparity in available genetic sexual maturity variance applies when it starts.

The idea would be that, if there's a pre-existing wide disparity in genetically determined sexual maturity, and the lower ages of maturity are a result of dominant genes, a breeding tendency cliff for people past mid-teens could result in a huge breeding demographic shift that ensures most breeding opportunities occur in the lower age range and breed true in subsequent generations.

Of course, that's assuming a *lot*, so I'm just speculating *very* wildly.

On the subject of Photoshop . . . I'm not even sure there's such a thing as a cracked version of Photoshop in the world from the last five years, give or take. Isn't Adobe going all-in on the network-dependent applications thing?

i think thats the only way to prevent cracking

apotheon: gene fixation (e.g fixation of an allele of a gene in a population) happens very slowly large populations like humans unless there is some sort of extreme natural selection placed upon the population

apotheon check out Adobezii

humans are not very diverse, the entire genetic diversity of all humans is conducive with a population of around 10.000 individuals

There is a way to bork the permissions required by Creative Cloud

apotheon: wild speculation \o/

is any command to clear the daemon log in the gui wallet?

*i mean the text output in the gui wallet

ctrl l

usually clears a terminal screen

botcoinnotbot[m]: I'm basically describing extreme natural selection.

nioc: Yes, wild speculation, indeed.

nioc: What I describe is more likely the background for a scifi/dystopian novel plot than reality.

Anyway, reduced ages of sexual maturity in post-industrial cultures is probably the result of a combination of factors rather than one single factor, anyway.

anyway anyway

Pretend I don't type anyway so much.

all good, perspective is clear and reasonable

apotheon: iirc people suggest somethign similar is going on in cats

but also, you need to keep in mind what % of teenage pregnancies end in abortion - probably most of them

hm

that Zii thing is interesting, if you're into Adobe shit

I'm not.

yanmaani: Yeah, there's some amount of that going on.

are there any countries where Monero is banned? Thanks in advance

apotheon: if anything, I'm gonna guess the opposite of your theory going on - namely, religious people tend to have much more kids

the mormons etc being at the top

On the other hand, I suspect there's a disproportionately large number of cases of teen pregnancy amongst people who come from families opposed to contraception on religious grounds, and wouldn't allow abortions.

because of the way society is, a lot of those people who are raised religious but don't fit in end up apostasizing

I already realized at about age four that most of the lies people tell each other (in movies, TV, literature, advertising, and "birds and bees" conversations) about love and sex are, to put it bluntly, bullshit.

so what you've seen is that the religious groups people are getting more and more "specialized", basically. So as apostasy gets lower and lower, assuming no conversions, growth rate of a religion == "demographic" growth rate

. . . so yeah, apostasy would have been a likely outcome if I grew up in a Mormon family.

So if the atheists average 0.9 kids, and the mormons average 4 kids, it's easy to see what's going to happen. The weak Mormons become atheists and don't have any kids, the strong Mormons have a dozen, and in a few generations America will once again be like she was

I've heard of cases where a family has arranged home birthing and claimed the newborn's grandmother was the actual mother, to avoid scandal and whatnot, but that's just anecdotal, so that might not amount to much.

If it does amount to a lot, it could mean that there are far more teen pregnancies than are reported.

(This gets easier with homeschooling, which seems to be higher amongst religious families than atheist families, from what I've seen.)

Again, I'm just wildly speculating, so . . . just take this as a very long-winded way to say "All our guesses could be wrong."

Speculation is fun sometimes, especially for writers.

(and infosec profesionals)

s/sion/ssion/

(I've been paid for both.)

apotheon: what about foreign countries that don't have this at all tho?

I think the United Kingdom totally bans homeschooling, for example

yanmaani: Yeah, that changes things. Then again . . .

1. The UK's population is much smaller than that of the US.

2. The UK has schooling from home, even if not homeschooling per se, now -- I think.

(videoconference schooling seems prevalent in "Western Democracies™" right now)

right, but it's not like grandmothers are mysteriously less fertile in the UK

yanmaani: That's funny.

bitcoinwhoswho.com/tags lol there is a website dedicated to tagging bitcoin addresses

What kind of person steals from their own community? removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d…ds_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?)

"Tagging bitcoin addresses makes the community safer by helping users identify legitimate addresses before sending bitcoin. Phishing scams are rampant, so it's useful to have a third-party site you can check to make sure you're dealing with a real address."

lovely

When atomic swaps?

According to almost-official things I've seen, "by the end of 2021".

(for some definition of "almost" and some definition of "official")

I'm excited for them, too, though.

"and thats when he told me he doesn't run his own monero node"

lmao what bot is this

har

i dont even need to open the link what a classic

girls_laughing_at_you.jpeg

LMFAO

good times

abcdefg_irssi: actually not that one!

oh it is a different one than i thought

is there a way to convert trezor seeds to monero seeds?

I thought I saw something on github

Is there a good guide for running monerod with i2pd?

I2P-zero is the only thing I've found so far today, and it depends on Java.

(not always a great option)

also, the I2P-zero guide assumes systemd, apparently

I run i2p-zero fine without systemd

there is no guide for i2pd with monero

le sad

selsta: I just said the guide assumes systemd. Someone who has never run either monerod or I2P-zero might not know how to tackle the problem without a (tested) guide.

not that I expect anyone has a duty to provide such a guide

It was just an observation.

do you mean this guide? github.com/i2p-zero/i2p-zero/blob/master/mipseed.md

that guide

I was looking at Monero documentation, not I2P-zero documentation.

In any case, I'm more looking for i2pd+monerod setup information at this point.

Note that I started with this:

23:19 < apotheon> Is there a good guide for running monerod with i2pd?

I have yet to find such a thing.

there is none, like I said

hyc runs i2pd, maybe he wants to share his config

That'd be nice.

apotheon : jack nicholson's mother was 17. he told she was his sister and his grandmother was his mother. he didn't find out until a reporter told him

*he was told

did I miss some backlog :D

vtnerd: Oh, yeah, I remember hearing about that, now.

apotheon: do you want incoming connections? or only outgoing

yes lol, apotheon was wondering aloud whether peopel really do this, and apparently this happened to a famous actor

selsta: There was some discussion of potential genetic evolutionary outcomes from teenage pregnancy in a very speculative manner earlier.

selsta: It's probably not worth going back to read the backscroll about it.

vtnerd: I didn't so much wonder as say that I'd heard of this kind of thing happening a fair bit.

vtnerd: It was wildly off-topic. I don't remember exactly how it started.

err

I meant to say that to selsta.

selsta: It was wildly off-topic. I don't remember exactly how it started.

there we go

hyc: If you're feeling generous, I'd appreciate some information about how to get things set up properly to run monerod with i2pd. Please let me know.